I can't believe that denpa chan has existed for this long and nobody's made an OS thread. What operating system(s) do you have currently installed? On what devices? What do you like about it? Are you a distro hopper or have you settled on The One?

>>137
I was on my Apple iPhone by Apple. My laptop is no longer OS-less, though! Back on Microsoft Windows 11 by Microsoft!

>>140
what a classic blunder. if the computer is already osless there is nothing left to lose, so there's no better time to move to templeOS

based templeOS user spotted

>>142
I hate how templeOS and Terry Davis are just a butt of jokes. please give some respect man

>>143
wdym...i genuinely love terry davis and i want him to come back :(

The simplicity of this site has got me thinking that it would be cool if every site was so simple and similar that you could reliably take the css file from one and use it in another. People would be swapping their general-use css files like they swap start pages. I think it could be done without stunting the page owners creativity by cleaning up some of the ugly ways of doing things and moving some css properties to html.

no more algorithms or engagement based monetization on social media style platforms (stuff like youtube insta twitter etc) and giving less power to search engines,search indexing, SEO

This isn't a change to the Internet, but sometimes I wish there was a quiet place where you can't get a signal, a like a public park. You could go there to relax and talk to people who are trying to also disconnect. Sometimes people invite me to their summer home and I kind of get this feeling, but with Starlink even the summer home has internet now.

Destroy the big platforms.

also ripping every single fucking person who has ever contributed or backed w3c into tiny tiny tiny chunks and then TAKING A FAT SHIT ON THEM I HATE W3C W3C IS THE ANTICHRIST

The majority of problems with the web today could be solved by banning algorithm-powered social media, and by banning short-form content.

There’s an issue with Linux that doesn’t get much attention: its strong reliance on the internet.

To install distributions like Arch or Gentoo, an active internet connection is required, since essential components such as the kernel, graphics drivers, and other packages must be downloaded during installation.

Linux ecosystem heavily depends on package managers, which fetch applications from online repositories. While formats like Flatpak and AppImage aim to provide standalone executables, they are not as standardized or widely supported as .exe files on Windows, .apk on Android, or .dmg on macOS. Those formats make it easy to store installers locally, share them, or archive them on other media.

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This is true for windows too? Like half the time you end up having to install some dotnet runtime shit

Unfortunate, nobody mentioned slackware

If it wasn’t for that Microsoft employee someone could have written a worm for the xz exploit and melt the whole internet. a missed opportunity for “malware” artists. well I figure the strategy of manipulating a lone maintainer to install a backdoor would work very easily on obscure projects like openbsd where nobody checks anything.

rolling release shit sucks, but there isn't a damn thing stopping you from downloading the Debian image sets
and never forget that Slackware is in fact a complete operating system in every way; you are expected to either literally install every package (all of which are provided on the image, and the installer recommends that you select that option) or live on the edge since Slackware doesn't bother with things like dependency management

>>21

openbsd where nobody checks anything.

sir, have you ever heard about "cryptography" not like in "cryptocurency" ?

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i know i'll make a discord alternative that copies all the bad design decisions that everyone was used to (closed source, service owned server, opaque "privacy", etc) and shill it to people because "we aren't requiring photo id to verify ages so we aren't evil!"
- 40 different groups of people

the internet is saved yet again.
;-;

Worst part is, most of those Discord copycats don't even have the "good" features of Discord (functioning VC, functioning streaming) totally down, so everyone will just stay on Discord anyways.

And?

>>3
I'm tired of seeing videos about new discord alternatives being hyped up, looking inside seeing garbage, no mention of real alternatives (irc, xmpp, matrix, etc) and all the bots cheering. It's just exausting. I don't want to care enough to calcify this distain enough to make a blog post, let alone a video. So it was this or a journal entry and I chose this.

>>2
Even if a better "discord" (feature wise) existed, it still would be fighting uphill against discord's real killer feature, being the default place communities exist. Having the people people want to talk with. This fracturization doesn't hurt the discord monopoly, it just makes the real alternative space suffer by muddying the water.

>>1
it does require you to doxx your face or id or phone now, without letting "just access" to sfw rooms ?

they can run 64 bit code, bitch you only need two cores

>>31

Such wow

You need to go back

I really should make my C2D machine useful. It is sitting here, turned off. It is mildly haunted and the DVD drive ejects itself at random on boot and I think it has powered up on its own at least once.

It's a shitty old Dell piece of garbage that I probably should take to the recycler, but it boots and runs fine once it's turned on.

>>30
Fuck off to facebook with your ai slop

Can we have a rule against ai slop posting?

im posting on a pentium you fucking newfigs, the day the laptop dies is the day i rue this world, what im annoyed is im yet to see it on te compatibility list for librebooting, if anyone knows an equivalent please tell me, this thing is so damn compromized i have to set the bios time and date every time i turn it on lol.

>>36
Coreboot?

First time I get to enjoy the wonderous hell that is bootstrapping golang from C -> 1.26. I can't even remember how many layers deep this is anymore.

honestly it isn't that bad, it's just downloading mostly even numbered releases then using the prior to build the next in a loop. makes one appresiate not needing to bootstrap from hand punched asm to clang every time you install an os tho.

what the fuck are you even doing

I decided I wanted to try connecting my 9front machine to an ollama instance I have running on one of my linux machines. Sure it can use simple json strings or even a rest api, but there's this nice convenient golang api I can just grab, I thought - naively. well. It requires a fairly new golang, and 9front's most recent version is old af. Since I was already waist deep when I realized it was going to be a clusterfuck, I decided why not just keep going. Now my 9front grid is probably 1 of like 2 total grids with fully updated golang. I haven't been able to do more than test that it works yet tho. There may be complications.

since apparently vibe coding isn't going anywhere before the total collapse of western civilization, I figure I should at least try it to see how much I hate it and why. And since I already know I hate using extensions in vim, and vscode, why not add it to plan9 using the plumber. at least then it will only be there when I tell it to, and in the ways I tell it to. And it will be easy to modify stuff to see what works better or worse.

This is something i have a strange sort of OCD about or obsession about. When I look on desktop threads or unixporn, and people post their fetches, I always look at how many packages they have installed. I find myself judging people who have more than 1000 packages on their system, or really thinking highly of people on really minimal systems with 200 or fewer packages. But when I think about it, I'm not sure this really makes any sense as something to care about. I currently have just over 600 packages on my system, and I feel for some reason constantly aware of this and almost guilty about it, like I know for sure some of those are libraries I needed to compile something once but I could remove if I needed to, but also I'm scare of breaking my system by uninstalling the wrong thing and so on. I'm constantly obsessing over getting that number lower but also I know it's kind of stupid thing to obsess about. Anyone else have this?

I used to be like that but at some point I just stopped caring, I'll run autoremove every now and then but that's about it. A different way to view it is less packages = less functionality

the closest thing I've ever come up with when it comes to there being an issue with having more packages is that it is theoretically a larger surface area to attack
in practice, you're more likely to get screwed to a bug in like Bash or Firefox than anything else by a lot

or maybe even you used some curl site.whatever/install.sh | sudo sh thing and every 1 of 100000 hits to that link just slips in a trojan lol

it's not entirely unreasonable to be concerned about it. A system with lots of packages installed:
1. presents a larger surface area for bugs and security issues
2. takes longer to upgrade
3. is difficult for a single user to understand
I think that last one might be the most important. It's simply not possible to have a good understanding of how your system works under the hood if it's composed of 1000 packages. Whereas one person could easily have a decent grasp on the functions of 100 or 200 packages. That being said package count is not a precise measure of system complexity. The unix philosophy favors lots of small simple programs other fewer large complex programs, so a system which follows the unix philosophy (which linux was built with in mind) would expect to have more but simpler programs installed. Also obviously package count only counts packages, not total programs, which might not be the same thing.

on my dev server i only have 202 packages installed (via pacman) I generally just install whatever I need and then forget about it

number of packages on it's own is a terrible thing to care about. not all distos package things in the same way so one system might say 600 packages but the same utilities installed on a different distro might need 900 packages for the same exact feature set.
i just checked my package count and it's 1650 ish. a fuck ton of those come from just installing steam and lutris on my nvidia hardware. i only deliberately installed like 30 packages, but they were all meta packages that each installed a fuck ton of other packages (each .so file is basically a separate package on void)
any time i remove a package i have to trim orphaned packages and there are always orphans to purge.
probably a better metric would be root du but even that can be biased a lot, and would only make sense in setups where the install root and /home/ are on separate partitions. maybe idle ram usage?

I'm making this thread using links while on the gentoo install CD while the kernel compiles

Update: the kernel finally installed. It took 23 hours and 40 minutes, on an old celeron.

>>4
excuse my ignorance, but what is the advantage of compiling the kernel yourself when it takes so long? sounds like a massive pain to me

>>5
I just felt like it. I wanted to see how much I could torture this machine. It was in nearly mint condition so I had to flex its muscles at least now, since it clearly hadn't done much in its' hayday.

>>6
How much cores does it have, and whats its clockspeed?
My money is on 2 cores and 1.6/7 ghz

>>7
x86(32bit)
One core
One thread
1.6 Ghz

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hi everywanwan. i like to use the computer to create music but sometimes i use my casio sampler or one of my synthy-sizers to do the job. i like my snares wet and my pianos dry. i would say philip's spectre was pretty smart when he came up with noise wall (, but merzbow took it a step further when he invented the wall of sound (many speakers arranged into the shape of a wall)

https://vocaroo.com/14zEZiuw8Leh
this is my latest thing im working on. the section after the bass leaves and before the flute/trumpet come in sounds kinda mushy without bass on it, but i didn't like the patterns i had so this demo is necessarily scuffed.

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>>1
this is really cool, you should make an album that sounds like this so I can download it and listen to it please.

I've been messing around with sunvox lately.
why do hardware synths have to be so absurdly expensive. For example this stuff https://monome.org/ is really cool, but it's all prohibitively expensive. I suppose you have to just solder your own modular stuff or buy second hand if you're not rich. sad!

>>6
target market of like 30 people world wide. all bespoke hardware, small runs where automation doesn't make sense.
using premium parts because why bother doing it all by hand if it's going to be shit.
I'm surprised that stuff is as cheap as it is.

>>5
tyvm, you can find more of my work at ofreverence bandcamp. i suppose it might be time for me to release some more instrumentals, idk.

sunvox is cool as hell but ive had so much trouble using a lot of music software ever since i got extra comfortable in fruity loops. did you know it supports patching together VSTs, midi inputs, automation layers in a modular fashion? you can load effects in instrument slots and instruments in effect slots it's so insanely flexible i hate it because pretty much any other host software for music production feels slow now. personal weakness on my part, certainly.

"everything is a synth if you use it wrong enough"

anyone fucked around with Max, pure data, tidal cycles, these kinds of things?

ive been meaning to mess with this sorta stuff (as-well as generative music) currently im trying to learn midinous though but SuperCollider ahs always caught my interest

I did a few things with Pure Data ages ago, but I can't remember how to use it. I should spend a little bit of time to get back to it, but I haven't been in a musical mood lately.

one thing I told myself a few months ago was that I'd sit down to learn Strudel or Tidal Cycles so I could do live-coded music, but I never did...
really should go do it, every time I see a video on it, it just looks fun and right up my alley